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Memoirs of Geisha movie
May 4th, 2006, 2:34am
 
OK, I finally decided that I have to go and see the movie. I'll be watching it tonight while my (Japanese) girlfriend will watch Munchen.
Let's see how its going to be. I will try to enjoy it and report my feelings later.
I learned that the director Rob Marshall has been mostly doing musicals. Thus I little understand why the trailer looked like that.
Someone commented in IMDB: "Can a group of American men and Chinese actresses render the remote and mysterious world of a geisha? " I'll see soon!
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Reply #1 - May 4th, 2006, 11:53am
 
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OK, movie was seen. Well well. Production was indeed big production, with Spielberg on production crew and all. Music was John Williams *star wars" big time soundtrack, passionate strings and stuffs. Nothing as melancholic as The Last Samurai, something *generic southeast asian track* koto, shamisen, Chinese flutes, chinese tunes. Didn't move me much, the sounds either, although well made as in any big budget flick. They spent a lot of money on CGI just as you might expect from any Hollywood movie.
I didn't feel any Japanese atmosphere from the movie at all. The Chinese actresses looked so Chinese (which is perfectly natural for them!) and one of the biggest problem is the language. They try hard to pronounce English like American people expect Japanese (not Chinese) to pronounce English, offering "arigatou, konnichiwa" to middle of their flat lines in English. And the Chinese actresses couldn't even pronounce those few words like Japanese would, it all sounds really strange.
As someone have noted before, geisha would never wear kimono like that, the neckline was ruined so terribly that it made me shiver. Everything was based on passionate, cheap illusion, without a deep look into things. Problems in the wardrobe were apparent from the beginning when the evil geisha Hatsumomo came in her red undergown from whatever souvenir shop they bought it. What an earth was that? Such attire doesn't exist in geisha's wardrobe not that I know of. But I guess that's what Americans like to imagine about geishas. However as it's been discussed in the usenet, these "geishas" portrayed in the movie are rather like geikos.
And did they really use black lights and colored spotlights for geisha shows? I don't think so. "All we need is disco music", I thought.  
But afterall, American audience wants PASSION, otherwise movie won't sell. And this movie really have PASSION with big P. My girlfriend cried "We Japanese aren't like this". Sumo scene (although it contained a real ex sumo wrestler Mainoumi) was noisy like a boxing show!
In common, everything in the movie is exaggerated, and camerawork is so also - everything is like fast paced melodramatic play. Quick visual satisfaction to hungry eyes! Particularly this feels cheap to me because there isn't solid enough storyline to back it up (and its based on cheap Harlequin fiction anyway).
In beginning, geishas are said to be fine artisans - at the end they are claimed to be "mysterious prostitutes". The attempted "geisha mystification" turns out to be a cheap marketting trick just as in the book. Geisha is recreated to be something sexy for American taste, for something to enjoy and soon forget. The movie doesn't even try to bring out any deeper meaning than the obvious question whether geishas really do it or not.  
I can imagine how some Japanese people feel about this movie, although I must add that this flick (known in Sayuri) is a success in Japan. Some reason, Japanese always have been enjoyed watching American movies about Japan. I wonder why though, especially when they don't even try to make it in realistic. Even if they claim "it's based on true story".
OK, let's switch to the "positive-mode". Afterall the movie is pretty harmless if you keep in mind that it's just a movie. Much more harmless than Pearl Harbor was. At least it's good Jerry Bruckheimer didn't produce this one. And Ken Watanabe is a nice actor, plus Youki Kudoh's performance as easygoing Pumpkin was super and great Kaori Momoi acted nicely the mother. Not such a bad Japanese crew I have to say. Personally I was disappointed a little to Ziyi Zhang, but it might just be that she didn't convince much as Japanese geisha as she couldn't pronounce Japanese. Kid actresses were convincing to me too. Randall Duk Kim (Matrix 2) was acceptable as the perv doctor.
What comes to dramaturgy of the movie, it wasn't very well composed and I really wondered how the editors spend their time, dramaturgy lost focus entirely at some times and screenplay drifted around the unimportant characters that are not developed, perhaps deadline came too soon.  
Despite the character of Sayuri, other characters seem to develop at all. The war ofcourse leave some traumas to the Osaka company guys and the Chairman (Ken Watanabe) character, but it all seem too light and the characters doesn't show any kind of real development, except that most of them turn slightly kinder to each other, which smooths the end of the movie towards typical Hollywood "happy endo". This is maybe the biggest problem of the movie.
Also Japanese people, as we know, tend to prefer to keep physical and emotional proximity to each other while communicating. Scenes of hugging and passionate emotions seemed so weird to me as it doesnt happen in Japan much even among families.
For the last remark, I really wonder what was the message of the film? Geishas remain just as mysterious as in the beginning of the movie. It seemed sad to me that things like mizuage and sexual appearance were highlighted and underlined, just like in Golden's book, just in order to make the geisha more sexy. Although in this movie Japanese men are still seen as somewhat sinister and perv, gladly the movie had less such tone as the original novel had. However, I won't be surprised that someone critisize this movie.
[i]Trivia: The movie has been banned in China, supposedly because homegrown actresses Zhang Ziyi and Gong Li take the roles of Japanese geisha
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Reply #2 - May 5th, 2006, 8:59am
 
Hahahaa!  Cheesy
 
You didn't really follow the development of this movie? Didn't you?
 
Well I did. Ever since the rights went to mister Spielberg.
Then the script got from one director to another and another..
 
Then I heard that it was going to be made and I was happy just for that.
 
When I heard that chinese actresses were cast,  read the production notes and then saw some pictures..
 
To me it was clear:
 
- These geisha are american geisha - don't really look like the geisha I have seen in photos
- These movie is a Hollywood production, so they want to maximize the profit and thus they will make huge and stupid compromises
- The script is based only to the book - I will not learn anything about geisha
 
And it wasn't even shot in Japan!  
 
But I expected  
- Wonderful fantasy kimono
- Beautiful cinematography
 
--- And are those just the things for which this film got Academy awards?
Those things I saw, and I was very satisfied!!
 
It is an American film. Wonder if the filmmakers even watched Japanese movies before making this.. They could have copied all the dances from Zatoichi if they had.. They didn't want to have Japanese mood in it, otherwise there would have been some quiet moments. (Hello, American's added a line to the end of Spirited away and music to Kiki's delivery service..)
 
I don't know if real Japanese people know what geisha are.
The young Japanese woman who taught me Japanese in my old hometown said that they are a sort of a taboo and seemed nervous.
 
And the chinese leading ladies.. They were cast just for their stardom. No-one can't say that there would not have been enough talent in Japan.. I mean, Japan is so highly populated! And Japanese make movies too!
 
Why did Japanese like this movie?
Because it was easy to watch like all Hollywood crap.. maybe?
And Japanese are environmentalists, aren't they?
Maybe thats why they like to watch films that they do not feel urge to buy..
 
 Wink I got a little cynical..
 
I'm just happy that it got done. For what reason?
Because of the kimono..
 
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Reply #3 - May 5th, 2006, 9:02am
 
BTW, I haven't seen Pearl Harbor..
 
I remember though that there were different versions for Japanese and the Americans.. And maybe Europeans too??
 
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Reply #4 - May 6th, 2006, 12:40am
 
I agree with many things.
I thought it was okey but not excellent.
About the kimonos, the reason they did not have proper kimonos were because Rob Marshall and Colleen Atwood thought that real kimonos are not sexy enough Huh
And that the white makeup with red lips is to scary for a western audience.
What disturbs me the most is Rob Marshalls comments on how much he knows about geishas when in interviews he basically has called  them courtesans. Angry
Especially when he says Miyako is a imaginary city Grin
And about Arthur Golden, a friend of mine pointed out something interesting.
She said that when Liza Dalby sees the artistic nature in geishas Arthus Golden only sees the sexual aspect of it.
I have to find a interesting article I read, some japanese crew members who were involved with making the movie made some interesting comments about the production.
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Reply #5 - May 6th, 2006, 3:31am
 
Yes, good points Kikuno and Ainu-san.  
 
The movie ends with words: "She paints her face to hide her face. Her eyes are deep water. It is not for Geisha to want. It is not for geisha to feel. Geisha is an artist of the floating world. She dances, she sings. She entertains you, whatever you want. The rest is shadows, the rest is secret. "
 
Well.. No need to shop for DVD..
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Reply #6 - May 10th, 2006, 1:04am
 
I found the article! I mentioned before.  
The quality and style of the kimono is just one element of Japanese culture that Marshall, director of the forthcoming film Memoirs of a Geisha, overlooks, Shizumi says. This Osaka-raised dancer also faults the director for including inaccurate versions of traditional geisha dancing and for failing to convey the studied artistry that geisha embodied in the 1930s and 40s, when the film is set. The film, she says, "has nothing to do with geisha in Kyoto", the city where Arthur Golden's bestselling novel of the same name was set. "It's very rude to us. To us, the world of geisha is our culture."
[color=#ff6666][/color]In his novel, Golden did a fine job of capturing the details and rituals of geisha life, she says. But, though Shizumi praises the handsome settings of the film, she says it misses several key points. In a scene of the geisha rehearsing a dance, the actors are wearing loose garments "like a bathrobe". And many of the formal kimonos look too flimsy, lacking heft and luxurious details. Nor does the dancing reflect the stillness and subtlety of traditional geisha dance, she says, particularly the solo for the central character Sayuri, an apprentice geisha who dons eight-inch high zori - think lacquered platform flip-flops - and a thin white gown and whips herself into a frenzied expressionistic dance under a cascade of confetti.
 
The Los Angeles-based musician Masakazu Yoshizawa is a veteran of the movie industry, having worked on the soundtracks of dozens of films, including The Last Samurai and Jurassic Park.
Working on Memoirs of a Geisha, he said, amounted to a series of arguments with Marshall, culminating in failed efforts to talk the director out of using aggressive, choppy music from northern Japan to set the tone for the cultured city of Kyoto, home of the most exclusive geisha.  
 
The artistry of the period is largely absent from the film, says Yoshiko Wada, a textile expert who was an assistant to costume designer Colleen Atwood.
 
The geisha world "had so much to do with music, dance and textiles" says Wada, who attended the Kyoto City University of Arts and curated a kimono exhibit at the Washington DC Textile Museum some years ago.
 
The kimono and the obi - the extraordinarily long, wide sash used to tie it - "was one of the most important things, showing their taste, their status in society, their age, everything... This film could have been made very opulent and meshed with that." But instead, she says, "they have kind of trashed it".  
Shizumi says she doesn't mind that Marshall chose to construe a fictional geisha district. The error, she says, is in not making this clear to the audience, who will likely walk away from the film thinking they have just seen how real geisha lived.
 
"My concern is that if they want to create an imaginary world they should have done it completely," she says. Instead, the kimonos are almost traditional, but not quite. And the dancing is also almost - but not quite - right. "To me, it's just sloppy," she says.
 
"The spirit of geisha is not there," she says. "In The Last Samurai, many things were not accurate, but the spirit of the samurai was there. So I can appreciate it. But here you don't get the spirit of the high-class geisha - the pride and elegance and..."
She pauses, searching for the words. She reflects on her lovely kimonos. What is missing from the film, she says, is "the tranquillity of subtlety with beauty".  
 
The whole article:
 
http://living.scotsman.com/film.cfm?id=2458612005
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Reply #7 - May 10th, 2006, 3:37am
 
Wonderful article! Thanks for finding it out.
Couldn't possibly agree more.
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Reply #8 - May 11th, 2006, 12:44am
 
A movie that I absolutely love is Fukasaku Kinjis "The geisha house"(Omocha in japanese)
The movie is really good and the actresses excellent.
I'd really also like to see Mizoguchis geisha movies Smiley
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205963/
 
I would love to see some documentaries about geishas especially Liza Dalbys about the music.
 
http://www.lizadalby.com/
 
Which japanese actresses would you have like to have seen  in this movie ?
I think Chiaki Kuriyama would have been a cute Pumpkin and Rie Miyazawa as Mameha Smiley
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Reply #9 - May 11th, 2006, 1:37am
 
Yes, I want to watch Kenji Mizoguchi's geisha movies. I read from somewhere that Mizoguchi's sister was sold as geisha - that must have lead him to do movies like Josei no shori, which were revolutionary in postwar Japan.
 
I would wanted to see Koyuki in the main role.
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Reply #11 - May 12th, 2006, 4:02am
 
So beautiful!!! Whooaaaa!
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Reply #12 - May 12th, 2006, 11:11pm
 
Iiiiiii!!
 
Kuriyama-san looks so beautiful in those kimono!!
 
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 17th, 2006, 9:47am
 
She does Smiley
I just got my geisha document yesterday.
If someone is interested I really would recommend it.
It's called The secret life of geisha.
And I also got my Moag movie.
And something that just shocked me was that Liza Dalby searched vintage kimonos from the 1920's - 1940's  which Colleen Atwood tore apart to make their own style Shocked
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 18th, 2006, 12:12am
 
I didn't know that wow..
 
By the way, congratulations for your 50 posts ^^
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