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Kimono problems
Feb 20th, 2006, 11:21am
 
Last summer my penpal that studied for a while on Hokkaidō sent me one yukata and one cotton kimono.
 
During the winter I have just used the yukata at home. But as the summer approaches again I've been thinkin if I should make myself a white cotton underkimono to wear with them.  To avoid flashing too much flesh  Roll Eyes and to be more proper.
 
Could someone help me. What is the etiquette? Did I do a horrible thing when I used the blue kimono once without an under one last summer?  Wink
 
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2006, 12:56pm
 
I will do my best. First of all I must say what a wonderful friend you have! That's fantastic  Cheesy
 
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During the winter I have just used the yukata at home. But as the summer approaches again I've been thinkin if I should make myself a white cotton underkimono to wear with them. To avoid flashing too much flesh Roll Eyes and to be more proper.

 
Yukata is usually worn just on bare skin, since the very idea of it is that it's cool and you can feel the summer breeze on your bare skin. It won't usually expose much skin and the wide obi prevents the hem fluttering too much even if you walk over a warm ventilation shaft alą Marilyn  Monroe.  
 
Usually there are only two of three sizes of yukata, the size is adjusted by tucking it under the obi. Actually you can get very cheap yukatas from shop called UNIQLO during summer. And most of them are very nice. Check out more: http://hanami.ath.cx/yukata.html
 
Like in the photo, you can tie your own obi on front, then just turn it to the back as the lady in the photo does ^^ If you need help how to tie yukata obi, I have instructions which I may post here.
 
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Could someone help me. What is the etiquette? Did I do a horrible thing when I used the blue kimono once without an under one last summer? Wink

 
Well one rule above all when wearing kimono is that one must remember the relationship with the garment and the occasion. There are few things that matter when wearing kimono:
 
    *  Wearer's Age
    * Quality and Formality of Occasion (!)
    * Season (!!)
    * Wearer's taste
    * One's Class
 
I think it shouldn't be such a big mistake, as long as you didn't walk upon that hot air ventilation shaft. Wink  
 
Remember to think about the big picture. Is the kimono furisode or tomesode? What kind of obi do you use? For young unmarried women furisode looks great. Nowadays, women wear furisodes in their twenties whether they are married or not. It's more related to age and one's expression rather than marital status. Personally I think furisode would really suit you. You'll have plenty of time for tomesode later.
 
I'm sure some of the Japanese women can answer better. But my feeling is that if the kimono is not formal and the obi is something like nagoya obi, a narrow style, you wouldn't have to worry about underkimono so much, maybe you can leave it out.  How long are the sleeves?
 
Please post pictures here.
 
Check out: http://hanami.ath.cx/kimono.html
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Reply #2 - Feb 22nd, 2006, 4:09am
 
These are mine:


Sorry the blurriness of the latter..
 
I have one flexible and narrow obi (red on one side - yellow on the other) and intructions how to tie it to a simple bow. I have succeeded in it.
 
I would really like to have furisode sleeves!  But I quess I have wait till I get to Japan or have more money. Last summer I spent the money I had planned for traveling to get those costumes.
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When I go to Japan I have to be sure to wear kimono correctly. Here in Finland.. I think I can be more radical. I'm still thinking about sewing an underkimono. I think it looks nice when you can see it in the neckline.
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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2006, 12:41pm
 
Wow, they both look very nice!
 
I think they remind me of kosode, and tsumugi fabric
 
Yes you can wear white under kimono with them. In the old times, the court ladies wore up to 12 kosodes on layers. That would keep you warm (and dry!) even in räntäsade
 
More layers - more status Smiley
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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2006, 11:02pm
 
Thank you for your thoughts!
 
The blue kimono has beautiful small sakura in it.  
Other flowers too. Like it much!
 
Jūnihitoe - Heian period dress - seems hard to wear Wink
Sensee said he once was able to wear the 12 pieces and that he felt very feminine in them. He also wants to get Sweet/Strawberry Lolita outfit. He got this idea after some students informed him about Harajuku street fashion..  
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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2006, 11:39pm
 
haha I see Smiley
 
Once I saw young man in Jyvaskyla wearing Japanese girls school uniform. He was fan of "Sakura" manga. I was surprised.
It reminded me of the Banana Yoshimoto's "Moonlight Shadow" short story which was printed in Finnish edition of Kitchen.
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Reply #6 - Feb 23rd, 2006, 5:01am
 
More books from Yoshimoto Banana-san  I wish   Grin
 
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Reply #7 - Feb 23rd, 2006, 6:34am
 
Yes I wish they will translate more. I wish translators like Jay Rubin would translate her works. He is such intelligent and smart guy, I love his style.
 
Banana Yoshimoto has written so many books. I went to bookstore in Japan and found out huge collection of her essays, novels, and short stories. At least 30-50 books..
 
Many of my friends recommend me Kaori Ekuni. Too bad her books are not available here. When I get creditcard I will order them from Amazon, or ask my friend to order.
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Reply #8 - Mar 15th, 2006, 3:03am
 
Globalization haven't touched yet every area of our lives.
 
My sensee always complains that Finland is the only European nation that hasn't ratified UNESCO's cultural suggestion that says:
 
Book are to be tariff free, when ordered from other lands for personal use
 
Hahaha.. I have told you this. But I totally agree with my lecturer. It is funny that need for information is punished in our country.
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Reply #9 - Mar 15th, 2006, 5:28am
 
I really want a kimono.
I'm studying sado (or Chadō) and many of the older students have kimonos already.
It would also be useful to train in one so you know how to not drop your sleeves in the teabowl Grin
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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2006, 2:46pm
 
Ainu, I realized about your kimono, it is not actually kimono, but yukata instead. When wearing it, I really recommend you to wear geta or zori. With real kimono one must not wear geta.
 
For kimono, I recommend buying instant obi. Its easy to tie and looks almost as great as real handtied obi. It takes only three minutes to wear and anyone can do it. Great for sudden parties! And second hand kimonos with instant obi are really cheap.
 
With yukata women wear only normal underwear under it. Formal undercloth is never used with it, either removable neckband as yukata can be somewhat easier to wash than kimono.
 
Yukata is great for summer time so make sure you take chance in those sunny days to wear it! And bring with you a Japanese fan, especially those which are not foldable (looks like flat lollipop) are very common.
 
Yesterday I saw beautiful Japanese woman in kurotomesode, it seems she was a mother attending her childrens weddings. She wore a white tabi and formal zori.She wore a peacefull and happy look in her face. I guess we all want to feel like that the day when our children gets married!
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Reply #11 - Mar 17th, 2006, 4:15am
 
I have geta!  And a purse that matches the blue ..yukata..
And I have collected fans but sadly I do not have flat ones - only folded.
 
I have thought about buying instant obi or two. But I want to see them - I want to feel the buying situation - so that is why I don't buy anything big from Internet.
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Reply #12 - Mar 17th, 2006, 6:56pm
 
Thats good idea. I recommend getting to know the second hand kimono shops or auctions here in Japan. Ask your Japanese friends to go to shopping with you. You will be surprised, especially if your friends are housewives.
I went to shopping with two housewives and I was surprised! What an experts! They knew everything about everything. They even knew Iittala and Arabia.
 
If you have ever wondered why the mannekine dolls wear ridicuously wide obi in shops windows, its actually just that the poor dolls are dressed up like that. That is to show full decor of the obi. But when dressing human beings, obi is always folded a little a bit, and the width is adjusted by folding. For tall woman, it might be folded almost 1/4 but for short woman 3/4.
 
Here are so many kimono shops, and most of them sell the standard width kimono cloth you can buy and sew up your own kimono. Prices are usually crazy - yesterday I had a stroll in Ginza and went into couple of those. Prices started from 100 000 yen and highest I found in 30 minutes peek was about 2000 000 yen.
 
But this is only half truth - in Ginza everything is like that. If you get to know the housewives circles you might know people who have extra kimonos they dont need and they want to get rid of them. I mean, there are SO MANY kimonos in this country! I know woman who has over twenty. My girlfriends mother has dozens too.  
 
The ultimate problem of storing kimonos in Japan is surprising - there are a special insects that eat kimono cloth. Thats why when storing kimonos here you must always put insect repellent in them. What a nasty surprise would it be to find your kimono full of holes. In Finland gladly we dont have this problem, but when buying kimono, you might beware of bringing those insects with you especially in summer. Thus its wise to use the packets of insect repellent. And those insects may even chew through your finest obi!
 
I took pictures of my kimono teacher and her kimonos. Ill post them here.
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Reply #13 - Mar 25th, 2006, 10:13pm
 
Pics, pics, pics!   Tongue
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Reply #14 - Apr 12th, 2006, 9:27am
 
Pictures Grin
Does anyone here know how long the nagajuban is suppose to be if a person is about 156 cm long?
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